Episode 58

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Published on:

3rd Dec 2023

Grief, Loss & Parenting // with Shameka Williams

Grief is not exclusive to death. Guest Shameka Williams, founder of Those Without Mothers, and From Grief to Love, shares her journey with grief and the lessons she learned, including:

  • Giving yourself permission to grieve
  • How grief, loss, transition intertwine
  • What can happen if we don't process our grief
  • The difference between processing feelings and stewing in them
  • How grief is like a weed

To learn more about Shameka, visit www.thosewithoutmothers.com, or find her on Instagram @shamekaspeaks, @thosewithoutmothers, @thebipolarpodcast, and @fromgriefwithlove.

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Transcript
Shameka Williams:

You're going to have to feel the feelings.

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And most of us don't want

to do that because it hurts.

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Grief will wait for you.

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Loss will wait for you.

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It will be on the sidelines until

you're ready to deal with it.

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But the longer you take to deal

with the issues, the more it'll

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have an effect on you as a person.

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Hello, all I'm Carmelita too.

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And welcome to season three of know them.

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Be them.

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Raise them.

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Uh, show to help busy, mindful growth

oriented moms stay informed and inspired.

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As they navigate their daughters,

tween and teen years So during

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this break between seasons

two and three, I've been busy.

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A good chunk of my busy-ness was

related to building my coaching

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skills and practice and making

progress towards my ICF accreditation.

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So proud of myself for that.

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Um, I also continue to work on a

community for moms and podcast listeners.

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That vision continues to

evolve in exciting ways.

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And to stay in the know and get

updates or if you're curious about

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coaching, head to knowberaisethem.com.

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Uh, you can sign up for my

newsletter there and you can follow

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@knowberaisethem on Instagram.

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And now let's move on to the episode.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:

Today's guest is Shemeka Williams.

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After openly dealing with the loss

of her mother, Shemeka realized that

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many others needed support and help

dealing with this life changing loss.

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Being impactful and speaking life into the

world became a personal mission for her.

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And she founded the organization,

Those Without Mothers.

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She's also a motivational speaker

who has traveled to various colleges,

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spreading the word about the importance

of caring for one's mental health.

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She realized there was a major

deficit in the mental health

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field that centered around grief,

specifically losing a parent.

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Determined to help fill the gap.

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She has continued to present many

tools and resources to members of that

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community that need a helping hand.

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Although Shemeka has helped those in

her community, she's determined to aid

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those around the world with processing

their grief in a healthy manner.

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Her purpose is her passion.

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And her goal is to make sure

no one has to grieve alone.

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Here's our conversation.

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Hi, Shameka.

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Thank you for joining me.

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Shameka Williams: Yes,

I'm so excited to be here.

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Thank you for having me.

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It is a pleasure to meet

you and be on your platform.

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Absolutely.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: I just

wish the listeners could bask in the

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warmth and energy that you exude.

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I can see it through the camera.

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Of course, podcasts

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Shameka Williams: you.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:

not being a visual, medium.

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The listeners may not enjoy

that, but I'm just thrilled to

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be sharing space with you today.

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Shameka Williams: Oh, thank you.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: So I'd love

to hear a little bit about how you got

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your start doing the work that you do.

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Shameka Williams: Yeah.

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So I, I got my start initially when my

mother passed away, my mother passed

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away about I want to say 13 years ago.

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And when my mom passed away,

I went through a season of

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very destructive behaviors.

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You know, there was addictions, there

were things that I was trying to do

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to fill the hole that my mother left.

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And so.

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Coming from that I learned that

there were so many people who were

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like me who didn't have any support.

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they didn't know how

to navigate this space.

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And, you know, thank God I was able

to kind of get the therapy I needed

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and get the help that I needed.

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But one of the things that really

helped me was, although I love therapy

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I found a grief coach and the difference

was that they guide you, right?

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I think therapy is amazing, but I needed

somebody that could walk me day by day

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through what I needed to do to kind

of navigate this newness in my space.

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And because of that I've realized

that, you know, grief is not

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a one size fits all, right?

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There are different methods

for different people.

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And so, you know, that's

kind of where I came from.

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And then as time went on, so

many other people that I love

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were losing their mothers.

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And I created kind of like

a private thing for us.

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Like, okay, well, we'll

just support one another.

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But then it was kind of like, no, you

can't just do it for a private group.

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We need to do this publicly.

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there are way more people that need the

support than the people that you know.

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And so from that day forward when, you

know, God kind of dropped it in my spirit,

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I, I left it and I was like, all right,

well, this is what we're going to do.

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And you know, I've been

doing it ever since.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: I, I love

how you took your awareness of your

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emotional space and shared that with

others, you and, and took action.

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I think a lot of times we folks may

see commonalities with other people.

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and it may stay there, but your

calling clearly was to move forward

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and provide support with a broader

audience, a broader community.

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And really helping to process

those tough times, and turning your

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grief into a catalyst for growth.

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Shameka Williams: Definitely.

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You can either let it make you bitter

or you can let it make you better.

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for me for a while it did make me bitter.

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Right.

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But I realized that I wasn't hurting

anyone but me and that is absolutely

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not how my mother raised me or how

she would have wanted me to live.

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And so I had to stay firm in the fact

that I knew better and I could do better.

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And kind of just how I move

forward to help myself grow and

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move through those, you know, art.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Yeah.

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Well, I love that phrase you

just said about you can be

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bitter or you can be better.

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you know, when thinking about grief,

something that I know you and I are

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kind of curious about and can chat about

today is this idea to have grief, really

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applying to loss in a number of contexts,

whether it's loss of an identity,

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loss of your particular dream, etc.

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Shameka Williams: Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: kind of coping

with grief in other contexts as well.

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Just speaking from personal experience.

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I know that letting go of

these preconceived notions

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you might have for your kids.

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That's something that a number of moms

and I have talked about on occasion,

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these, these tiny goodbyes as they

grow into their own people, and the

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complexities that come with that, you

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know,

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audioShamekaWilliams11486949567: yeah,

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Shameka Williams: I think that

you put it so well, right?

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You said that you don't

expect these things, right?

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You don't.

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And sometimes you get disappointed based

off of your own expectations, right?

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So grief is not exclusive to that.

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It is just exclusive to those things

that we lose and that can be yourself

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that can, we lose ourselves when we

became, when we become a mom, right?

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And.

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We oftentimes try to get back to that

person when we will never be the person

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that we were before we had children.

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And sometimes when we have those

expectations that, hey, I'll

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go back to be this person when

they're grown up is unrealistic.

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And then it caused this, this kind

of condemnation on ourselves, like,

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Oh, well, you know, I did bad.

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I didn't do this.

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No, it's not that you just you'd

never be that person again.

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And I'm big on transition.

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Right.

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Grief is about transition.

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And in order for you to be able

to transition into any space, into

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any time period in your life, you

have to be able to adapt to change.

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And one of the things that

human beings in general struggle

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with is adapting to change.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Mm, mm,

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Shameka Williams: and so what I've learned

in my space is that my son is 16, right?

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And soon he'll be out the house.

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And he, he used to be a mama's boy,

but now I don't even know, you know,

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I see him when I see him, he lived with

me, but you know, they do their thing.

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One thing that I, I realize

is that me holding on to him.

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It's not gonna help him.

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It's not.

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It's not gonna help

him be a better person.

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There are certain, and I had to, like,

really talk to some wise people who

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said, you being super strict or you

want him in your sight every second

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of every day, it's not helping him.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: mm,

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Shameka Williams: Not just

that, it's not helping me.

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Because oftentimes we leave,

when we become mom, we lose

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our dreams, our aspirations.

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When really, in reality, we need to

be able to show our children that you

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can be a mom and still have a life.

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You can be a mom and still take care

of yourself because if you're a mom

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and you're not taking care of yourself,

everything else fall , everything else.

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And so we have to learn to take

care of ourselves and your identity

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has to be bigger than your child.

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And I know for some

people that's like, Oh,

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: mm,

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Shameka Williams: no, your identity has

to meet when people ask you who you are.

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It has to be more than

just, well, I'm a mom.

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Okay.

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And because what happens is then

when you're not that, that mom.

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In the forefront, you

don't know who you are.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: right.

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Shameka Williams: And so it's so

important to hold on to pieces of who

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we are, what we like, what we don't

like in the midst of being a great mom.

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we have to stop placing these

expectations on us because unmet

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expectations equals disappointment.

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And so we just have to allow

ourselves to be who we need to be.

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And it's going to take

time to get a balance.

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But just trying to figure it out is

better than, you know, just sitting in

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it and just saying, well, this, this is

all I am because not way more than that.

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Way more.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Yeah.

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And it's so true how when you become a

mom, especially when they're little, and

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I think it's, it's sort of endemic to

the, the act of raising an infant and a

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toddler, like they need you for so much.

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And if that becomes your sole

identity, it is a bit dangerous.

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Because once they start becoming

independent, becoming their own

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people, it, yeah, that, that sense

of who am I, how do I function?

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I can imagine it manifests

in different ways.

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Like you might want to control things

more than you should, or you might.

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Like you were saying, you just sort of

lose the sense of who you are and then, I,

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I am a huge believer in, you know, what's

good for you as a mother is ultimately

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what's good for your kids as well.

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So if that means self care, if that

means pursuing your own dreams, even

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in baby steps showing up in that way

for yourself will ultimately also

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help your kids become better people.

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Shameka Williams: Yeah.

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And I think it's also especially

because our children watch us.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Yes.

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Shameka Williams: They

are, they are sponges.

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I people all the time, if you don't teach

your children, how to deal with trouble,

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they are going to figure it out on their

own and sometimes not in the best ways,

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: mm, mm hmm,

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Shameka Williams: so they need to

see you going after your dreams.

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They need to see you doing self care and

taking time away from them for yourself,

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because then when they get older, they

realize it's okay for me to prioritize me.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:

hundred percent, yep,

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Shameka Williams: Right, because

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audioShamekaWilliams11486949567: I

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: they to see

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Shameka Williams: I, I've seen so many

kids like, well, I, I'm not gonna cry.

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I'm not gonna, because I watched

my mother be a superwoman.

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She never cried.

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She never did.

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And we're, in reality,

that's, that's not good.

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That's not good.

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So we need to be able to show our

children real emotions and what

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really is happening, you know?

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And it's necessary.

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It's necessary for growth

for them and for you.

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Yeah,

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: And on

that point about showing emotions,

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you know, it brings me back to grief.

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And when we experience grief, whether

it be through loss of an opportunity

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loss of a friendship, you know, what

would you say are kind of the top

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things to keep in mind or tips for

navigating those sorrowful moments?

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How do we move from that

bitter place to a better place?

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Mm.

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Mm hmm.

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Shameka Williams: I think one of

the main things is processing it.

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And allowing yourself to sit with it.

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So often we live in a

microwave society now.

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And so everything is supposed to be fast.

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Like, I'm gonna heal fast.

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As long, as long as I just

be like, okay, it happened.

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No, you're gonna have to process it.

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You're going to have to feel the feelings.

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And most of us don't want

to do that because it hurts.

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Grief will wait for you.

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Loss will wait for you.

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So it will be on the sidelines

until you're ready to deal with it.

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But the longer you take to deal

with the issues, the more it'll

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have an effect on you as a person.

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And so if you can sit down and say,

hey, This is what hurt me, but also

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in every loss, there is a lesson.

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So a lot of times, one of my main

things I tell people in my grief support

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group is, Hey, you have to find out

what the lesson is, even in this loss.

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if you don't, what happens

is you will repeat the same

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behaviors when you lose again.

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Loss is inevitable.

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You know, they taxes and death is the most

sure thing, but loss is a sure thing too.

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Right.

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You're going to lose throughout your life.

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So if you can kind of figure out,

Hey, when I lose, I need to process my

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feelings, but then also use every tip

-adapting to change, sitting through

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it, and then allowing ourselves to learn

the lessons that need to be taught.

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Those things alone can not only help

you in your situation, but it can

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also help you to teach your children

how to navigate their own trouble.

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Because a lot of times, you know,

especially in the younger generation

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now we're using alcohol and drugs and,

know, we're trying to fill spaces.

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Right.

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A lot of unhealthy relationships, and

this is something that I experienced.

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A lot of my unhealthiest relationships

were because I was trying to fill

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a spot for something that I lost.

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And because of that, it was destructive.

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It was toxic.

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But if had I been able to sit with

what happened and be able to take the

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lessons from it and grow from it, I

probably would be much better off,

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and that that's my suggestion.

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You have to sit with it, even if you have

to say, Hey, I need to take two days.

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Cry for one day and then figure out,

you know, my feelings the next day.

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That's fine, too.

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fine, too.

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You know, so.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:

In terms of processing, you

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know, that resonates with me.

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This idea of you have to figure

out, like, take some time to

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analyze, feeling the feelings and

addressing what's my takeaway here?

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Yeah.

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Cause you know, I I've heard it

said that we gravitate towards what

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our nervous system thinks is safe.

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audioShamekaWilliams11486949567: Mm hmm.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: And

sometimes just because it's what we're

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familiar with, the familiar feels safe.

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And if our familiar is negative or toxic

or, you know, not necessarily good for

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us, that we'll continue those patterns

because they're quote unquote safe.

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But like you were saying, if we learn

from it, then we can take action

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to move through the discomfort,

to use that grief to propel you

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towards something, towards growth.

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So, you know, you, you sort of set up

this example of feeling the feelings,

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and sitting with it, and then kind of

moving forward, how does someone know

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whether they're processing or stewing?

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That's something that I think people,

myself included, sometimes grapple

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with, especially when I look at my

kids, I think, you know, are they

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still processing or are they stewing?

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Shameka Williams: Yeah, if they, you

know, I think when we're processing,

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sometimes, you know, we're kind of

in an out of body experience, right?

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I think sometimes we're really

thinking about the entire

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situation, the entire circumstance.

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And we're really trying to process

What happened and why it happened.

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One of the things that

humans need is a why.

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I have no idea,

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When somebody dies, they'd be like,

all right, well, tell me how they died

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because they want to know why they

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audioShamekaWilliams11486949567:

died, right?

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Shameka Williams: Because we want

to find something to identify with

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and say, oh, okay, well, they died

because they had a heart attack.

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Well, I didn't have a heart

attack, so I'll be okay.

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if it's else, then maybe I

should go get my blood work

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done because they died this way.

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We, that's, that's how

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audioCarmelita(Cat)Ti21486949567: It's

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: so true.

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I think about relationships and breakups.

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People wanna know, why did you And then

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audioShamekaWilliams11486949567: Exactly.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: to learn.

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Yep.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Mm-hmm.

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Shameka Williams: So the thing

about it is if you're processing,

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you're thinking about how it's

going to affect your future.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Mm-hmm.

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Shameka Williams: If stewing, it,

oftentimes it's just like you're

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sitting there, you're processing

it, but you still are not over the

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hump of understanding what happened.

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You're still like, yeah, well, maybe in

another world, it could be this way, like,

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you're, you're still negotiating with

yourself about what's happening and, and,

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how things could have been different.

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Whereas when you're processing,

you understand that it happened

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Right.

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Shameka Williams: you know, you're

like, okay, it's, it's done.

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It's, it's the end.

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Right.

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Whereas stewing sometimes you

go back and forth with yourself.

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It's this bargaining chip.

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Like, well, maybe if I did this

or no, so that's the difference.

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The difference is you knowing it's an end

and the other is I'm bargaining that it

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might not be the end or it could be that.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Yeah.

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What, what I'm hearing you say

is basically acceptance, right?

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Where stewing is this refusal to

accept that this is an end, that this

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is something to move forward from.

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Whereas processing is sort

of looking at it for what it

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was and choosing to move on.

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Hmm.

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That makes

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Shameka Williams: it's not neither.

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Neither one is easy.

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I'm not, I say it like,

yeah, just process.

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No, it's hard.

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It's hard.

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It's very hard, but it's necessary

for you to grow and I am one of

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those people that definitely believes

everything happens for a reason.

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So there's something that is preparing you

even with this situation as you process

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to go to the next level in your life,

to go to the next level in your purpose.

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And so it was a lesson that you

had to learn so that you could be

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better prepared for the next lesson.

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saying about people being wired

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to want a why, you know, wanting

an explanation that makes sense.

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So often we don't have that, right?

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Like whether it's loss, unexpected loss,

why that person or in a relationship, why,

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why did this person make that decision?

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Like what?

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So understanding that part of that

processing is just accepting and

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moving on I can see how that's so

pivotal and important to really

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reaching that place of growth.

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Shameka Williams: Definitely.

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It's, it's necessary and it's vital

in order for you to really be able to

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say, Okay, I'm moving through this.

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Shameka Williams: going to

get through this, right.

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And the longer you're stagnant, the

more things pile on top of it, you

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know, becomes complicated grief,

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And complicated grief means things just

piling on top of it and it gets worse.

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when you have complicated grief

is you literally have to unpeel

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back back all of those layers.

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Before you can really deal with the

root of the problem, whereas if you're

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processing when it happens, you're

dealing with the root and you're

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going to pull it up from the root.

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If you're a gardener, you know, if

you don't pull the weeds up from

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the root, just going to, it's just

going to grow right back, but if you

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pull it up from the root, it's gone.

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you have to think about it.

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Like, Hey, we got to pull this thing up

from the root so that it doesn't resurface

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: I love that.

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I love that mental image.

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Shameka Williams: yes, what you

don't deal with, it will come back.

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And it comes back sometimes

unconsciously, it'll come back and you'll

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be like, Oh, I thought I dealt with it.

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But then you get in another

relationship and now the problems

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from the other relationship are here

because you never process it properly.

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that it all, it all comes together if

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we don't process how we've feeling.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Yeah.

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I feel like we've covered a lot of

ground in a short amount of time.

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I'm so grateful for that.

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is there anything we haven't

covered from the perspective of.

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Like how you would encourage folks to

think about grief ,processing grief,

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and I, I, I wanna make sure there's

nothing you feel is left unsaid.

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Shameka Williams: Yeah, I think the

only thing that I would say is that.

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You, you are enough.

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And oftentimes when we grieve,

whether it's a death or whether

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it's a loss of a relationship or

friendship or even ourselves, right?

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I know a lot of people, my mom,

she passed away from breast cancer

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and what I found was when she

was diagnosed, she lost herself.

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She lost who she was, you

know, before her diagnosis.

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to know that you are enough.

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you are strong enough to move

through whatever it is that you lose.

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Right?

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But you have to reveal it.

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What, what you don't

reveal, it can't be healed.

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So you have to move through it,

understanding that I have to let this out.

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Whether through a therapist,

a coach, a friend.

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The longer you keep it in, the

more dangerous it becomes to

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your spirit and to your mind.

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And grief often leads to mental illness.

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On my podcast being bipolar, I didn't

find out that I was bipolar until I

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lost my mom because it ignites something

in your mind and your spirit that you

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don't even realize that it's happening.

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understand that they are not alone and it

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happened to them, but it also happened for

them, And sometimes it's hard to see that.

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When you're hurting so bad, right.

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But there was a there's a reason

for everything that happens.

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And sometimes that's why we have to

go back and look at those lessons

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and things that we've been through.

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It's unfair.

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The fact that that my mom is

gone is unfair, but I learned

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so many lessons from it.

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You never go through things just for you.

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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Mm-hmm.

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Shameka Williams: You always go through

things to also help other people, and some

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of those people are your children, right?

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your children need to see you grieve.

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They need to see you hurt, because

they need to know that these are real

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emotions, and it's okay to feel them.

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So much of society has told

them you don't need to cry.

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You don't need to feel, just get over it.

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I had so many people tell me, it's

just, you'll be fine, just get over it.

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I don't think so, you know.

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And, you know, it's sad that we don't

give people more time to for bereavement

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like jobs only give three days.

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you need, and you got to choose you.

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You have to choose you.

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I actually left a job because

I said, no, I have to choose my

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mental capacity because if I'm not

okay, nothing else will be okay.

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you, know, I, I typically wrap up

each podcast episode asking the guest

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to share a quote or an affirmation.

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And I feel like you've just given

me like five wisdom bombs already.

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But on that note, is there any quote or

something that you would like to share

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above and beyond what you've already done,

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only thing that I would say is that

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sometimes we feel like our prayers, our

tears are in vain, but they are not.

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So every time you cry.

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the universe, whatever it is.

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There is someone or something

there that is going to lift

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you because you have suffered.

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Suffering is inevitable.

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We know that, but there is an

assignment to every tear that you cry

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and just don't give up on yourself.

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Don't give up and give

yourself so much grace.

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so hard on ourselves.

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hard and please give yourself grace

and allow yourself to feel what you

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need to feel to prioritize yourself.

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Because that's the only

way you'll make it.

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What a powerful conversation.

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as humans navigating this journey of life.

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We invariably deal with

change, transition and loss.

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And we know this intellectually, but in

our fast paced world, whether it's hustle

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culture or capitalism or productivity

junkies or whatnot, It sometimes feels

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like it's a lot harder to find the

time to process and reflect on these

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things and the impact they have on us.

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On some level I think I

used to think of grief.

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As being reserved for

situations involving death.

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It really wasn't until my divorce and the

huge changes that came along with that.

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recognize grief in a very real way.

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It just makes me grateful

for my chat with Shameeka.

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It was a wonderful reminder that

grief comes in all shapes and sizes.

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through and grow from all of our losses.

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Here are my key takeaways.

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Number one.

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You can be bitter or you can be better.

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When loss happens to

us and it will happen.

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We can choose how to respond to

it and how it will affect us.

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Recognize that loss and the resulting

grief can show up in a variety of places.

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We might mourn a loss of identity,

the life we used to have, loss of our

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kids as they become more independent.

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And of course our daughters deal

with the loss too, whether it's

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losing a game or losing a friend.

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Loss and grief are not exclusive to death.

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Remember that grief is like a weed.

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You have to deal with it from the roots.

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It will continue to grow and wait for you.

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It won't just go away on its own.

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Number four processing your grief

means acceptance and learning.

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Every loss has a lesson.

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And number five, what you

don't reveal you can't heal.

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Be courageous and confront your

loss for yourself and your kids.

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If we model emotional awareness and

self-compassion in times of grief,

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we're planting the seeds for our

kids to process in a healthy way too.

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To learn more about Shemeka

and her organization.

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Those without mothers.

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Visit www those without mothers.org.

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She also hosts the being bipolar podcast.

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You can find her and the podcast

on Instagram and Facebook.

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Look for, @thoseewithoutmothers, at

Shameeka speaks and that's S H a M E K a

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speaks also at the being by polar podcast.

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Also at the being bipolar podcast and

at coaching from grief without love.

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Those links will all be

in the show notes as well.

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So feel free to go there,

check that out and find her.

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Thank you so much for joining me today.

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A big shout out to you for taking

the time to show up for yourself

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and your daughter by tuning in.

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I know you have a lot vying

for your time and attention.

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So I really appreciate you

choosing to spend a portion

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of your day listening to me.

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Thank you again for listening

and here's to strong women.

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May we know them?

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May we be them?

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Know Them, Be Them, Raise Them
Helping moms be & raise strong women
Are you a growth-oriented, mindful and busy mom who wants to raise strong daughters? Me too!

Tune in for short episodes (under 25 min) filled with inspiration, insights and actionable tips from experts, moms who’ve been there, and host Carmelita Tiu (a mom of two girls herself).

Hear about timely (& sometimes tough) topics: boundaries, self-care, creating safe spaces, self confidence, intuition, negative patterns, body positivity, friendship, body image, gender stereotypes, stress, and more.

Follow @knowberaisethem on Instagram for more info.

And here’s to strong women -- may we know them, may we be them, and may we raise them.

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Carmelita Tiu

Service, creativity, and human potential -- these things inspire Carmelita Tiu as a mindset coach and life strategist for mindful moms, and as an attorney, podcaster, creative, educator and parent. After receiving her art degree and law degree, she worked as an attorney at The Oprah Winfrey Show and OWN: The Oprah Winfrey Network for several years, then pivoted to the design and advertising world. She's also held adjunct professorships at DePaul University and Columbia College Chicago, and served on the boards of numerous cultural and community service organizations.

As a curious and committed mom to two daughters, Carmelita recently launched the podcast, "Know Them, Be Them, Raise Them," a show that informs and inspires mindful and growth-oriented moms of girls -- so they can show up for themselves and their daughters the way they want to. "Know Them, Be Them, Raise Them" is on all the major podcast platforms, or head to knowberaisethem.com.